By Grand Rapids Anonymous
monday, may 8, 2023 at 9:05:00 p.m. edt
“(politico) lawyers for Donald Trump and E. Jean Carroll offered closing arguments monday in the civil trial in which Carroll has accused the former president of raping her in a dressing room at a luxury department store in the mid-1990s. she is suing him for battery and defamation. He has denied her claims, saying the alleged incident ‘never happened.’
“the judge is expected to instruct the jury on tuesday morning, after which the jurors will begin deliberating.”
GRA: Personally, I believe, instead of “he said/she said,” it’s more like “she invented it/he resented it.”
Should be not guilty or not liable. No damn proof. Yet, if this jury finds for the accuser, you have to assume Trump is done. Obviously, this was cooked up by anti-Trumpers to derail his 2024 campaign—and it would.
But there’s no evidence.
--GRA
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Impossible for Trump to get a fair trial in NYC.
It's a "civil trial" not a criminal trial. The "plaintiff" can't identify the day, month, or year it supposedly took place. It looks bogus to say the least.
Still David,the proclamation that a jury--even a crooked one--found Trump to be a RAPIST--in essence--would be a tough one for Trump to come back from.The crowds would disappear,I believe.That is what
this is all about.Destroy Trump.
--GRA
--GRA
"But there’s no evidence."
Witness testimony is evidence.
But it is more or less a "he said, she said" case. Depends on whom the jury believes, and how credible/weighty the jury finds the testimony of witnesses.
It's a civil case, not criminal. The standard of "proof" for conviction is lower. At some point, a judge must have decided there was enough credible "evidence" to proceed to trial. Without such screening, trial courts would be clogged with frivolous lawsuits.
Saw her lawyer is (((Roberta Kaplan))). She and her firm were behind the Charlottesville SLAAP civil suit, when the Heaphy report made it clear the authorities were responsible for all the mayhem that day. They failed to allow an approved gathering to take place by containing violent leftists, who then attacked those who wanted to attend the rally as they were trying to leave.
TRUMP FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ABUSE--MUST PAY 5 MILLION DOLLARS
GRA:If this is the way it works on a civil case from 30 years ago,his criminal case will have him in prison in a snap.
NEW YORK (AP) — A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House.
The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on the first day of deliberations. Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, but found Trump liable for sexual abuse and for defaming Carroll after she made her allegations public.
Trump chose not to attend the civil trial and was absent when the verdict was read.
Carroll nodded as the verdict was read. Afterward, her lawyers put their arms around her, and she hugged supporters in the gallery, smiling through tears.
Trump’s lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, shook hands with Carroll and hugged her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan. As the courtroom cleared, Carroll could be heard laughing and crying.
Trump immediately lashed out with a statement on his social media site, claiming again that he does not know Carroll and referring to the verdict as “a disgrace” and “a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time.”
--GRA
JURY DIDN'T FIND TRUMP RAPED THIS WOMAN,BUT...
GRA:Judges instructions follow.
(ap)Judge Kaplan told jurors that the first question on the verdict form will be to decide whether they think there is more than a 50% chance that Trump raped Carroll inside a store dressing room. If they answer yes, they will then decide whether compensatory and punitive damages should be awarded.
If they answer no on the rape question, they can then decide if Trump subjected her to lesser forms of assault involving sexual contact without her consent or forcible touching to degrade her or gratify his sexual desire. If they answer yes on either of those questions, they will decide if damages are appropriate.
GRA:How could they KNOW anything?
At one point,Trump was asked about the Billy Bush convo and admitted that celebrities "grab women by their pu*sies."
He was asked if he was a celebrity,to which he replied,"yes."
Still,this verdict is a joke.
Trump said he will appeal.
--GRA
GRA,
Thanks for your comment. I've been saying for months that I want Trump to shut up and go away.
Last point:If Trump can be found guilty of an unprovable action from 30 years ago,why can't Biden--in the case of Tara Reid--be found liable as well?She must not be backed like Trump's accuser was.
--GRA
This should do it,though he's appealing the decision.I think it's over.
--GRA
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-verdict-00096009
"after U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan"
Lol - what are the odds?! - the judge is named (((Kaplan))) too.
“I filed this lawsuit against Donald Trump to clear my name and to get my life back,” Carroll said ..."
Sure, Ok, "get your life back" - where has it been the almost 30 years since the incident?
The insultingly dumb, overwrought, formulaic rhetoric is a tipoff that the whole thing is an orchestrated hoax, and shows why people hate lawyers.
Not clear how the jury, likely a bunch of morons, could find Trump sexually assaulted her but did not rape her. Didn't she basically tell one story about what happened? And that story included rape? But somehow they believed everything but the rape part?
That makes no sense.
Wonder what Trump thinks about the concept of "a jury of one's peers" now. But when that concept originated and the principle was written into the Constitution the country was white and only white people could be citizens. Heard there was a janitor on the jury lol. Does anyone want their fate decided by a janitor?
"I think it's over."
Not with the MAGA crowd. They are ordinary people who increasingly hate the establishment and the PMC class that runs it. That core part of Trump's 2016 message hooked them. This will only make them hate it and them more. They will still support Trump. While they struggle to make a living this is how "the other half" spends its time. Now if they will just notice the heavy involvement of (((certain people))).
The establishment has always hated Trump (not sure why, turned out he was no threat to them). This just shows how far they will go to discredit him.
Trump could raise the $5 million buy selling some more NFTs.
https://www.coindesk.com/web3/2023/04/19/trumps-second-nft-collection-sells-out-while-prices-on-first-collection-plunge/
"The new collection features 47,000 tokens, which sold for $99 each, this time with limited one-of-one NFTs and autographed cards."
47k tokens at $100 each = $4.7 million.
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