Expert discussion of President Trump’s nyc civil show trial

[“Trump ‘rape trial’ goes to jury; is he finished after a ‘conviction’”?]

By Anonymous
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 12:14:00 a.m. edt

Impossible for Trump to get a fair trial in nyc.


By David in TN
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 12:25:00 a.m. edt

It’s a “civil trial,” not a criminal trial. The “plaintiff” can’t identify the day, month, or year it supposedly took place. It looks bogus, to say the least.


By Grand Rapids Anonymous
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 12:59:00 a.m. edt

Still, David, the proclamation that a jury—even a crooked one—found Trump to be a RAPIST—in essence—would be a tough one for Trump to come back from. The crowds would disappear, I believe. That is what this is all about. Destroy Trump.

--GRA


By Anonymous [Eahilf]
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 4:20:00 p.m. edt

“But there’s no evidence.”

Witness testimony is evidence.

[N.S.: Did I miss something? I thought there were no witnesses. And don’t tell me her girlfriend was a “witness.” She witnessed nothing.]

But it is more or less a “he said, she said” case. Depends on whom the jury believes, and how credible/weighty the jury finds the testimony of witnesses.

It’s a civil case, not criminal. The standard of “proof” for conviction is lower. At some point, a judge must have decided there was enough credible “evidence” to proceed to trial. Without such screening, trial courts would be clogged with frivolous lawsuits.

[No. The judge made no such decision. judge Lewis A. Kaplan simply determined, as a democrat, that the President was the enemy.]

Saw her lawyer is (((Roberta Kaplan))). She and her firm were behind the Charlottesville slaap civil suit, when the Heaphy report made it clear the authorities were responsible for all the mayhem that day. They failed to allow an approved gathering to take place by containing violent leftists, who then attacked those who wanted to attend the rally, as they were trying to leave.

Trump found liable for sexual abuse—must pay 5 million dollars


By Grand Rapids Anonymous
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 4:36:00 p.m. edt

GRA: If this is the way it works on a civil case from 30 years ago, his criminal case will have him in prison in a snap.

“new york (ap) — a jury found Donald Trump liable tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the white house.

“the verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in new york city on the first day of deliberations. jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, but found Trump liable for sexual abuse and for defaming Carroll after she made her allegations public.

“Trump chose not to attend the civil trial and was absent when the verdict was read.

“Carroll nodded as the verdict was read. afterward, her lawyers put their arms around her, and she hugged supporters in the gallery, smiling through tears.

“Trump’s lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, shook hands with Carroll and hugged her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan. As the courtroom cleared, Carroll could be heard laughing and crying.

“Trump immediately lashed out with a statement on his social media site, claiming again that he does not know Carroll and referring to the verdict as ‘a disgrace’ and ‘a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time.’”

--GRA


jury didn’t find Trump raped this woman, but...
By Grand Rapids Anonymous

Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:53:00 p.m. edt

GRA: Judge’s instructions follow.

“(ap) judge Kaplan told jurors that the first question on the verdict form will be to decide whether they think there is more than a 50% chance that Trump raped Carroll inside a store dressing room. if they answer yes, they will then decide whether compensatory and punitive damages should be awarded. “If they answer no on the rape question, they can then decide if Trump subjected her to lesser forms of assault involving sexual contact without her consent or forcible touching to degrade her or gratify his sexual desire. If they answer yes on either of those questions, they will decide if damages are appropriate.”

GRA: How could they KNOW anything?

“At one point, Trump was asked about the Billy Bush convo and admitted that celebrities ‘grab women by their pu*sies.’

“He was asked if he was a celebrity, to which he replied, ‘yes.’”

Still, this verdict is a joke.

Trump said he will appeal.

--GRA


By David in TN
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 5:10:00 p.m. edt

GRA,

Thanks for your comment. I’ve been saying for months that I want Trump to shut up and go away.


By Grand Rapids Anonymous
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 5:21:00 p.m. edt

Last point: If Trump can be found guilty of an unprovable action from 30 years ago, why can’t Biden—in the case of Tara Reid—be found liable, as well? She must not be backed like Trump’s accuser was.

--GRA


By Grand Rapids Anonymous
tuesday, may 9, 2023 at 8:52:00 p.m. edt

This should do it, though he’s appealing the decision. I think it’s over.

--GRA


By Grand Rapids Anonymous
wednesday, may 10, 2023 at 2:26:00 a.m. edt

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-verdict-00096009

“after U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan”

[chuckle] - what are the odds?! - the judge is named (((Kaplan))), too.

“‘I filed this lawsuit against Donald Trump to clear my name and to get my life back,’ Carroll said ...”

Sure, ok, “get your life back” - where has it been the almost 30 years since the incident?

The insultingly dumb, overwrought, formulaic rhetoric is a tip-off that the whole thing is an orchestrated hoax, and shows why people hate lawyers.

Not clear how the jury, likely a bunch of morons, could find Trump sexually assaulted her but did not rape her. Didn’t she basically tell one story about what happened? And that story included rape? But somehow they believed everything but the rape part?

That makes no sense.

Wonder what Trump thinks about the concept of “a jury of one's peers” now. But when that concept originated and the principle was written into the constitution, the country was White and only White people could be citizens. Heard there was a janitor on the jury [chuckle]. Does anyone want their fate decided by a janitor?

“I think it's over.”

Not with the maga crowd. They are ordinary people who increasingly hate the establishment and the pmc class that runs it. That core part of Trump's 2016 message hooked them. This will only make them hate it and them more. They will still support Trump. While they struggle to make a living, this is how "the other half" spends its time. Now, if they will just notice the heavy involvement of (((certain people))).

The establishment has always hated Trump (not sure why, turned out he was no threat to them). This just shows how far they will go to discredit him.

Trump could raise the $5 million buy selling some more NFTs.

https://www.coindesk.com/web3/2023/04/19/trumps-second-nft-collection-sells-out-while-prices-on-first-collection-plunge/

"The new collection features 47,000 tokens, which sold for $99 each, this time with limited one-of-one NFTs and autographed cards."

47k tokens at $100 each = $4.7 million.