By Jerry PDX
Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:16:00 a.m. edt
OceanGate CEO, Stockton Rush, explains why he didn’t want to hire 50-year-old White guys to pilot his subs:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/oceangate-ceo-explains-why-he-didnt-want-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-pilot-subs
Rush said he valued captains who were “inspirational” over experience, noting that “anybody can drive the sub,” which is controlled with a $30 video game controller.
Inspirational over experience? Does that translate into non-White (especially black) and incompetent over White and competent? I dunno, but if I were going to get into a tin can and dive deep into the ocean I’d want the most experienced, smartest, and competent pilot I could find, not some 30 dollar video game controller or an affirmative action negro.
By Anonymous
Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:20:00 AM EDT
Yeah, the CEO said hiring inexperienced kids to pilot instead of a 50-year-old white guy with US Navy submarine experience was more "inspirational." How inspirational is it to be trapped under the ocean? Maybe the 50-year-old Navy veterans were too smart to be willing to sail on this jerry-rigged bargain basement boat?
By Grand Rapids Anonymous
thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:37:00 p.m. edt
“debris found in search area has been assessed to be from the external body of the titan sub”
(cnn) The debris discovered within the search area of the missing Titanic submersible has been assessed to be from the external body of the sub, according to a memo reviewed by CNN. The search for the crew capsule of the Titan vessel continues, the memo says.
The debris was located on the ocean floor, roughly 500 meters off of the bow of the Titanic, and it was located around 8:55 a.m. ET.
GRA: Oxygen running out was apparently the least of their worries.
--GRA
By Jerry PDX
thursday, june 22, 2023 at 7:48:00 p.m. edt
Debris from the Titan submersible has been found 1600 ft. from the bow of the Titanic. News was delivered by Rear Admiral John Mauger, a fiftyish looking White guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__edp8NgPx0
Interesting convo in Youtube from people who sound like they know what they are talking about, I posted it below:
@divermike8943
33 minutes ago (edited)
I am amazed to learn that this submersible's pressure hull is made of carbon fiber composite materials and not steel, which is far more predictable for fatigue properties. In fact, steel has an endurance limit. This is a level of stress at which fatigue failure does not develop no matter how many load cycles are applied. Titanium also has an endurance limit. . Aluminum has no endurance limit. It will always fatigue at any stress level given enough cycles. Likewise for carbon composite materials. Basically, aluminum and composite parts get weaker every time you stress them. That is why aircraft are tested for hours and hours and days and days of fatigue cycles to prove that fatigue doesn't occur before you think it will. Often you keep going until you do get a fatigue failure just to be certain where and when it will happen. Did Oceangate do any of this prolonged fatigue testing? IDK. Granted part of the pressure hull was titanium but it also depended on the composite materials for strength, otherwise, why was it there.
@ygs497
7 minutes ago
My navy ship being made entirely of aluminum.....they really want us dead don't they?
@saschalarch8710
2 minutes ago
As an Aerospace Engineer (and experienced scuba diver with >1300 logged dives) I cannot understand how anyone can make such a vessel out of CFRP that is loaded with EXTERNAL pressure! This is the most stupid thing one can do! Carbon fibers are a good choice for parts that are exposed to tensile stress, but a submersible is exposed to pressure stress. In such a load case, the fiber does not hold anything! It is the matrix (the resin) that takes the loads! And resin is the last thing you would use to withstand the loads of a 4000m dive. Building a deep sea submersible This way is pure stupidity!
@timlolxP
1 minute ago
@ygs497 It's a matter of planning and simulation. All vessels and planes have a limited lifetime. For a navy ship, I would guess that lies between 30-50 years depending on the type, after that, the hull is worn out. On modern ships you have stress monitoring of vital parts, so you can predict more accurately when something fails or is damaged.
@juuiceboxx
9 seconds ago
It’s crazy how a random person in the comments can know this vital information but the ceo of a ocean exploration company doesn’t. I’m sorry they had to die this way but they quite literally asked for it with their carelessness.
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"It’s crazy how a random person in the comments can know this vital information but the ceo of a ocean exploration company doesn’t. "
GRA:I chuckled at that comment,but whether the CEO knew it or not,others who the CEO delegated the task of building these types of vessels,miscalculated SOMETHING and the result was what we just read.
--GRW
Does anyone know when Obamacare will be repealed? I remember President Trump saying during his 2016 campaign that he replace it with "something terrific, you'll love it," but I haven't seen that happen yet. It's been over six years now.
"It’s crazy how a random person in the comments can know this vital information but the ceo of a ocean exploration company doesn’t."
Yeah, it's also crazy how a random person commenting can know what "the ceo of an ocean exploration company" knew or didn't know.
"OceanGate CEO, Stockton Rush, explains why he didn’t want to hire 50-year-old White guys to pilot his subs:"
It was a stupid, performative thing to say, but it is not clear it, or any actions taken by him or his company as a result of such rhetoric and thinking, had much if anything to do with the disaster.
A lot of the commenting about it afterward has also been performative. But then like the GOP, many other people on the political Right are also prone to such performances.
It doesn't look like "piloting" had much to do with the presumed disaster. Assuming they are correct that 1) the vessel is lost, and 2) it was lost due to it being crushed by extreme pressure encountered at extreme depths, then it looks like it was more a materials or construction issue. Maybe design and testing (design verification).
I don't know the history of this company/project, but I assume there had been test dives to similar depths when no one was aboard. Were there previously successful manned dives? No idea.
Other submarines, designed by white men, have been lost due to some kind of structural failure and with far greater loss of life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)
This seems relevant:
https://twitter.com/bog_beef/status/1672099733995675650/photo/2
"They fired a literal 50 year old white man for telling them what was wrong with their submarine and why it was going to kill people.
They told him he was an idiot and didn't have the academic qualifications of the "engineers" who said it was safe"
Will there be a comprehensive report analyzing what went and/or was *done* wrong and when and by whom? It would be interesting.
Would not be the first time a stubborn commitment to a flawed idea led to disaster.
While past a point it appears deliberate fraud was also an issue (which is why Elizabeth Holmes is now in prison), the same was partly the story of Theranos. She and other greedy and perhaps somewhat unscrupulous people could not let go of an idea after it was pretty clear it did not work and could not work.
https://twitter.com/realism_fan/status/1672090278990348289
"The only reason why OceanGate’s college grad engineers were “diverse” is because that’s who universities are admitting. They wanted fresh college grads who were cheap and fast. White male college grads would have made the same mistakes.
“Startup culture” did this, not wokism."
Don't know about the composition of their workforce, or the "only reason" part. Still today I imagine you will find far fewer NAMs in engineering and hard science majors than in other areas. They are not inclined and just not able to do the work.
But it could be "startup culture" had something to do with it. People will do things they shouldn't if they need results and are worried that without results the money will dry up.
This could also be the case in the current "counter offensive" in Ukraine.
Sounds like extraordinary carelessness and decision-making on the part of the white male CEO.
https://abc7ny.com/missing-titanic-sub-oceangate-lawsuit-david-lochridge-submersible/13409850/
[OceanGate, according to the lawsuit, intended for the Titan to carry passengers to extreme underwater depths of 4,000 meters, "a depth never before reached by an OceanGate manned submersible composed of carbon fiber."]
So attempting something never done before technically. Seems risky. Want to be extra careful.
[Lochridge, according to the suit, objected to OceanGate's and its CEO's "deviation from an original plan to conduct non-destructive testing and unmanned pressure testing" on the Titan.
"Lochridge disagreed with OceanGate's position to dive the submersible without any non-destructive testing to prove its integrity and to subject passengers to extreme danger in an experimental submersible," the suit said.]
Ignored the advice of someone hired (Lochridge) for the express purpose of ensuring safety. Instead Lochridge was fired.
Strange.
Need a full report on what happened here. All aspects.
And who would be stupid enough to descend in a vessel that was not fully tested to be sure it could safely operate at such depths? Were the victims, err passengers, informed about the verification and testing history of this vessel? Did any of them ask whether it had been proven safe?
What a mess.
2021:
https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/as-the-titanic-decays-expedition-will-monitor-deterioration/
Lochbridge, the guy who was later fired for pushing safety concerns, is shown in a photo when he was apparently still working for OceanGate.
2023:
Prospective passengers had to sign a waiver warning them there is a risk of death.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/i-was-titanic-sub-passenger-waiver-said-death-three-times/
So the vessel had made the trip successfully before. How many times?
Part of what Lochbridge said was that "pressure cycling", meaning repeatedly going down to extreme depths and then coming back up, could weaken the hull over time.
So extensive (and expensive) testing was needed to check the effect of "pressure cycling" on the carbon fiber hull. But this is apparently what the CEO did not want to do.
?
At some point, everything wears out. And the enormous stress of "pressure cycling" will cause things to wear out sooner.
Interesting photo:
"Reiss was able to see the prow of the Titanic through a porthole only marginally larger than a washing machine door."
OT
https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1672050435006373890
"Hunter Biden at State Dinner for India tonight"
It would be considered inappropriate by most people for Hunter Biden to be there. This is not unreasonable or particularly partisan.
But the thing to note here is the replies. BY FAR the most idiotically rabid ones defending this and the Bidens are from women. They are simply FAR MORE susceptible to media propaganda, which directs their empathy. They react emotionally. They do not think. In too many cases this is EXTREME.
Unless the influence of women is curtailed there is no chance of saving the West.
No chance.
Right now women significantly outnumber men in college, and this imbalance is getting worse every year.
There are today about 25% more women than men in law school, whereas in 1970 it was 10:1 men.
This is a developing disaster on a civilizational scale.
Madness.
Talk to McCain.
--GRA
Talk to Ryan.
--GRA
Talk to Flake
--GRA
OT
Since this was a topic here:
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/calif-couple-fatally-shot-at-beyond-wonderland-18165648.php
The music festival shooter has been ID'd as James M. Kelly. He's in the military ("thank you for your service").
Seems the two Hispanic female victims were "engaged", so lesbians.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-loving-memory-of-brandy-escamilla
How did people cope with tragedy before GoFundMe. Every misfortune is an occasion for a GoFundMe. Seems crass.
At the following link is what is allegedly a photo the shooter:
https://www.thelocalreport.in/washingtons-gorge-amphitheatre-shooter-identified-as-soldier-james-kelly-victims-were-an-engaged-couple/
Same photo from a mainstream outlet:
https://komonews.com/news/local/gorge-amphitheater-campgrounds-shooting-deadly-edm-beyond-wonderland-james-kelly-mushrooms-high-hallucinogenic-drugs-concert-festival-jblm-tacoma-washington-joint-base-lewis-mcchord-pierce-county#
He's not white, despite the name Kelly. The way he looks if it turned out he was an adopted Korean it would not be a surprise.
Says he was high on mushrooms:
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/06/alleged-gunman-in-gorge-concert-shooting-told-police-he-was-high-on-mushrooms-believed-the-world-was-ending.html
Another bizarre, sad America 2.0 story.
OT
Michigan family fears daughter's killer 'still free' after 'missteps' in homicide investigation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-family-fears-daughters-killer-still-free-missteps-homicide-investigation
[Lynette and her husband, Tim Drumhiller, publicly expressed their frustrations with the police investigation into their daughter's death for the first time during a Thursday morning press conference.
The family said the Carrollton Township Police Department, which was initially investigating Megan's death, apparently failed to test all evidence from the crime scene for DNA, failed to interview all possible eyewitnesses directly after her death, failed to look into all possible camera evidence, and they said the lead detective on the case worked remotely for four or fives months due to COVID-19, never visiting the crime scene in person.
"I don't know how you investigate from home," Lynette said.]
Forget what you see on TV. Many cops are stupid and lazy.
"Right now women significantly outnumber men in college, and this imbalance is getting worse every year.
There are today about 25% more women than men in law school, whereas in 1970 it was 10:1 men."
Half the students in medical school right now are women.
"Aluminum has no endurance limit. It will always fatigue at any stress level given enough cycles."
Professional roofers still prefer the wooden ladders over the aluminum.
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