Friday, October 18, 2019

Taibbi, Steyn, et al.: We’re in a Permanent Putsch

By A Friend
Mon, Oct 14, 2019 6:58 pm

We're in a Permanent Coup Matt Taibbi.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup


Mark Steyn on Matt Taibbi:




I find it fascinating that there is a faction of the left that takes strong issue with the Establishment Left because of a fundamental disagreement with them on the impeachment-related matters as well as regime change wars in the middle east.

One believer in that philosophy is Jimmy Dore, whose videos I have been watching a lot of on Youtube.

Their lucidity doesn't seem to extend to identity politics, where they seem to believe in hoaxes such as widespread police brutality, Trump is a racist, yada yada.  But the fact that they are dead on correct when it comes to the issues involving the attempts to overthrow Trump (and, more broadly, our system of government), and the fact that forces them to take sides against a huge establishment that is in other respects largely on "the same side" as they are, leads me to feel they very much deserve listening to.

It seems to me there are enough of them to deserve a label for their political faction, but I'm not sure what label is appropriate.  The "sane left"?  The "pro rule of law left"? (Although they do not seem to believe in the rule of law when it comes to immigration, which is another of their blind spots.)


More on the Taibbi piece: 

I read all the comments beneath the piece --- one by Taibbi himself.  Below are the best half dozen:

MATT TAIBBI: I can't stress enough that the Russiagate insanity, and specifically the Steele leak, began before Trump took office. If it was not framing exactly it was certainly manipulation of wrong intelligence, on par with using Chalabi's tales to start war.

There are only three explanations for the January 7, 2017 "intel chiefs" meeting:

One, they sincerely believed Trump was a cultivated foreign agent as Steele reported. I don't buy that this is possible. They had half a year at least to investigate these extremely serious claims. If they were true, leaking to CNN and letting Trump take office is an extremely weak response.

Moreover, no evidence to substantiate the idea ever surfaced.

Two: Steele was on some level genuinely reporting rumors he heard, and the agencies merely waved this dicey intel on to the public via leaks (and gave it gravitas with leaks of their meeting) because it was explosive and expedient, advancing political goals they had. This to me is the most likely explanation. A sub-possibility is Steele was duped by Russian disinformation and the agencies either knew this and waved it through, or weren't sure and waved it through anyway.

Three: the agencies had a direct hand in creating the Steele nonsense. I think this unlikely. It's what Trump and Giuliani believe, and it's not completely unsupported, given Steele's relationship with the FBI and Fusion's dubious history, but I have a hard time believing such a Dr. Evil narrative absent hard hard evidence. Still, option #2, i.e. cynically using/leaking wrong intel to cripple an incoming president, would be an awesome corruption/meddling story, beyond anything Trump has done.

CHUCK McCLENON: "What was Russiagate all about, if it was not the agencies framing Trump? If it was not the Deep State constructing deliberate lies in order to protect the Swamp against an intruder. If Trump IS impeached and removed on the basis of a false narrative construed by the IC community, then that proves the Deep State is not merely beyond the law, but the Dark Force guarding the Empire."

MARCYINCNY: "It is indeed frightening. They're perfectly willing to take us all down with the Pequod for any chance to get their orange whale."

NANCO: "...It's so hard for me to understand why my liberal, and especially, my progressive friends don't get this. Even If Ukrainegate does rise to the level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors'— and I'm willing to withhold judgement on that for now— any impeachment hearings are tainted by the ravenous searching for crimes that began immediately post-election. I remember Watergate. The hearings were deliberate and no one, neither Democrat nor Republican — was anxious to impeach. That, as you point out, was not our preferred way to change administrations. I also believe that we are at a critical point. If we do this now, there's no turning back, and a president who makes it through four years will be a rarity."

CHUCK McCLENON: "We've long whispered about the Deep State, assuming that the Intelligence Community should have counter-intelligence responsibilities, out of sight, protecting the Executive branch from moles planted by foreign foes, and that our secret agents would, if necessary, quietly dispatch a Manchurian Candidate. But we assume that he deep state are protecting us from foreign foes, and that the less said beyond that, the better. And we assume they operate out of some sub-basement of the CIA in Langley.

"But what we appear to have here is an alternative version in which the Deep State protects the Domestic interests of the Elite — that group of financial powers of whom nobody went to jail for any misdeeds leading to the 2008 crisis, that group which also happen to control the media which control the boundary lines of permissible political discussion, as Matt has documented in his precious book. Let us suppose that the Washington Swamp works for that elite, serve it and profit from it. And let us suppose that the Deep State are not there to protect the constitutionally designated Executive branch, but to guard and protect the Swamp.

"And so for a candidate from outside of those boundaries to be elected president, that's not merely a threat to the power of the institutional media, it's an existential threat to the security of all the swamp creatures. Alligators are usually solitary and don't usually work in teams, but we suppose they are wired to respond with the same instincts and to swarm and attack the intruder. And since you and I understand that the alligators in the moat, or in the swamp, are there to protect against invaders, and we see them attack, we are conditioned to cheer for the alligators. They are doing their job. And if they are promoting the story that they are protecting us from Russians, all the better.

"But who do the alligators serve? Who can protect us against them? That's the context in which Matt has framed the question, which is the worse choice to lead the country, Donald Trump, with all his known flaws and evils? Or the swamp gators? I heard Rudy Giuliani last week say something to the effect that Trump was elected on the promise of draining the swamp, but none of us has a clue how bad the swamp was. Say it ain't so.

USERFRIENDLYYY: "Russiagate: one big hoax. Leaks about Russiagate: CIA trying to overrule voters with a hoax. Ukrainegate: Not a hoax, but so penny ante that it doesn't even break my top 10 list of things presidents have done and should have gotten impeached and/or gone to jail for. It's not even the worst one Trump has done."

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup







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2 comments:

  1. Trump cannot win at poker with a 7 high card against a "royal flush"--which is basically the hand he's facing at the table.
    With the knowledge that he will be dealt the same hand in 2020--AGAIN--why would he keep playing?

    Why run again?THAT'S the real question.
    --GRA








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  2. "a big chunk of the media are now proposing to impeach and remove the lawful elected head of state on the word of a lone anonymous witness who happens to be a CIA officer working for a rival presidential candidate."

    THEY WERE PLANNING TO IMPEACH TRUMP EVEN BEFORE HE GOT THE NOMINATION.

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